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Post by theeyeball on Oct 17, 2012 20:20:44 GMT -5
I would like to post regarding the scheduling of the Provincial tournaments. It has been a long tradition that the Provincial Singles tournament be held on Paddy's Day weekend. Now the provincial executive decides they want to schedule A, B and C tournaments on this weekend. There are several B and C players that attend Gander each year along with A players.
Isn't the mandate of the Provincial Executive supposed to be to try and grow darts in Newfoundland and Labrador?? Now with this boneheaded decision, they are making players decide on one or the other. This is not helping darts grow and will only diminish the numbers
Also the National Championships along with the Worlds are being held in St John's this year. Shouldn't the Provincial body be doing all they can to get more people involved??
Most of the executive probably don't even live in Newfoundland are probably only able to make one trip from the mainland. Maybe its time to get some new executive members that will help expand the game of darts in Newfoundland and Labrador...and not try to eliminate it altogether...
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Post by chassnorr on Oct 17, 2012 22:06:40 GMT -5
Having "B" & "C" playoffs on the Paddy's Day weekend is indeed a poor decision not only for the players who would want to go to Ganderbut for the many "A" players who manage the "B" & "C" teams. Plus there are many Paddy's Day tournament which greatly benefit some of our supporting Clubs. Wise up Executive.
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Post by toddhiscock1 on Oct 18, 2012 8:43:45 GMT -5
I totally agree with both comments above...if the executive can't and are not willing to help with NL darts and make it grow..I think it's time we vote in people who not only understand the game and it's players but also want to grow the sport in this great province of ours. We def have some of the best players in the country in our province as to schedule the B and C the exact weekend of Paddys day weekend...which of course any one that is associated with darts know is our provincial shoot for singles or the NL team. Can u imagine if they ran the NHL...they would probably set the NHL allstar game during the playoffs...lol. Anyway...I hope they realize their mistake and change the weekends...which in return would be benefical for everyone involved.
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Post by Jason Verge on Oct 18, 2012 20:29:27 GMT -5
Have read all the post above and now it's my turn to reply. Just so everyone know my name is Jason Verge President of the Provincial Men's Darts Association. I have no reason not to put my name on this post, unlike some peope who hide behind a nickname. I will respond to each post as they are listed above. To the eye ball, apparently lacking any other balls, or there would be a name attached to his post. First of all Provincial Darts were played in our province long before National Darts so what give them the right to say that they are the only darts allowed to be played on the St Patty's Day Weekend. Second the Provincial Tournaments being played that weekend is the B, C, and D not A, B, and C. I have the list of all players that played in Gander for the last 2 years and not one B,C,D,player that played in our Provincial Tournament played in Gander. Quess you just doesn't have so much information as you taught. Third it is the mandate of the Provincial Organization to grow dart in our province which i exactly what has happened over the last 4 years under this executive, if you had given your name i would have took the time to give you the numbers, but nameless people doesn't deserve that information. Fourth the dates for the tournaments this year was decided at the AGM last year so i quess the 30 or so people at the meeting must be all boneheads, as you stated. Fifth when did it become the responsibility of the Provincial Organization to get people involved in the Nationals, doesn`t the nationals and world darts have their own people for that or did we just get voluntared for tha job too, since as you think we`re doing so bad at this one. Sixth and my last one, for your information, not one of the Provincial Executive live in the mainland and only one work there, myself. I attend every tournament and meeting, taking time from work and flying back to the province at my own expence just to help keep this game live, so to have gutless eyeball like you make a post like you made just goes to how how small minded some people are, get yourself a set of balls and start using yor name, i promise no one will come looking for you if thats what your scared off, or better still put your money where your mouth is and attend the next AGM in Port aux Basque, run for the executive, then win or loose you will have earned the right to make your stupid post.
Now for chassnorr, same thing if you want to be taken serious, put your name on your post only **** disturbers hide behnd a nickname. If you think you can do better, i give you the same invitation as the eyeball, come to the meeting in Port aux Basque and run for the executive thereby earning the right to criticize others.
Now for Todd Hiscock, a player that has played darts so long should know the hardships in trying to organize tournaments to suite everyone. Now i will give you some information, for the last 4 years we have organized our provincial tournaments around the nationals just so a hand full of A players, mostly from eastern region, can attend both tournments. One of our Provincal Executive Member happen to be a member on the National Executive, he on our behalf have epressed to the national executive to get together and do a schedule for all tournaments from both organiation, they have flatly refused to even discuss the topic, so as the biggest dart organization on the island, why should we be the ones to keep bending over backwards and at time making it impossible for some of our A players to even play in our tournaments because they are so late due to being postponded for other tournamets. We as the Executive was elected to look after the concerns of the majority of our registered players and that is exactly what this executive have been doing and will continue to do. If any player has any concern they are more than welcome to attend the AGM and express those concerns. Any concerns expressed on this site won`t be considered. There are proper channels to express your concerns and this site isn`t one of them. Now i extend the same invitation to you as the other 2 people, attend the AGM, run for an executive position and then you will have earned the right to criticize others.
Jason Verge
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Post by Jason Verge on Oct 18, 2012 20:31:50 GMT -5
Sorry about the spelling mistakes, can`t spell worth a ****
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Post by wingnutt on Oct 18, 2012 23:19:02 GMT -5
Comments and responses like yours mr. president solve nothing and being saucy doesn't help. I'm sure there are lots of dart players that have just a big of balls as you, but come on, i don't even play this stuff anymore because of all the drama like this. If you ever hope to grow the darts in NL you all have to get along and grow up. Names or no names a president that acts like this on a public website, should be called into question. To solve this problem the players, NOT THE EXEC should make the decision. Let all the players vote on the dates to host the provincials.
Signed
My balls are almost as big as yours
but my spelling is better. LOL
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Post by toddhiscock1 on Oct 19, 2012 8:09:39 GMT -5
Mr Verge......first off( I will try to say this without laughing)if you think that the All NL darts is bigger then NL singles darts...ur further out to lunch then I thought. Secondly....yeah maybe a majority of the players that go to gander are from te eastern side...so basically what u r doing is killing eastern A darts. There are a good many players from central that attend gander as well...so that's 2 regions that u r killing. I think u might have to research ur info on B C players that attended gander..cause I know a good few from here and central and a few others from other regions that go as well. I really don't understand why the exec would do this. Isn't the main goal is to try and grow the sport...and as well as sending the best overall players to the All NL?  By doing this u are giving players a choice of one or the other is that is not right....if thats what the exec wants..I guess you will have to change the ELITE title...cause majority of the elite players won't be there...I'm so confused and frustrated about this and I can't wrap my mind around. Just to give you a heads up...there is a ACE in the hole that your forgetting about...and I believe you will be notified soon enough about it...it's not only the players you are hurting by doing this. Anyways I'm not on here to attack you or call u anything...I'm just so passionate about this game and I don't understand why this is happening and why both bodes can't get along! Todd hiscock |
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Post by toddhiscock1 on Oct 19, 2012 9:12:24 GMT -5
As well I briefly read an email you sent to someone regarding people having trouble attending and mainly it was fisherman...so basically your accomadating a seasonal worker and forget about the rest of the workers that work year round...now don't get me wrong....I know the fisherman work hard and it's a dangerous job and it is something I would never be able to do. I'm sure there's a better solution then what is happening now I'm sure there is a way to work this out so both events are not conflicting one another. Todd Hiscock
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Post by spoiler on Oct 19, 2012 9:37:44 GMT -5
Well!!!!!!!here we go again.Years of asking elite dart players to help run provincial mens darts with no response from them and again, after the fact,we get crapped on for decisions made by all divisions at the annual meeting.I'm sure you guys all love the game of darts as do almost sixteen hundred other players that play in "B","C", and "D" divisions across this province .Please guys,don't be laying blame on our 5 executive members for making this decision.The division reps at that meeting were all in agreement that we;re sick and tired of bending over backwards for a handful of elite players that have absolutely no interest in any input into provincial darts.From where i see it, all you guys want to do is go to darts on any given night and play,without the fustrations of having to get anything organized.Well you can thank people like the executives in your region and provincial executive members for having that done for you.Then when things are not in your favor you have the attitude that (SIXTEEN HUNDRED PLUS)other players should bite the bullet and cater to you guys.Your only interest in darts is (YOU).As a part of provincial mens darts by being president of a region,i have attended annual meetings for the past eight years.The one topic for discussion at every meeting was always"what do we do about our "A" division.We worry about it and try to fix it but you guys have no intrest in helping out.As i stated all you want is everything done for you and you can play darts without the work or fustration of getting it on track.I know this to be true because i see it in my own region.We as a body at our agm know the problems of setting dates for provincial tournaments.We set them around our players interests .That entails fishermen,sealers,and workers that leave the province early in springtime to go to mainland Canada for work purposes.We have a responsibility to registered Provincial Mens Dart players to see that they get a chance at provincial tournaments .Thats the players we have a commitment to,no one else.In the past we've tried different dates and ended up with as little as six teams at a provincial tournament.Now thats what i call killing darts.Individuals have a right to make choices on their own and i guess thats what members at the agm all agreed.
As for theeyeball and chassnorr,i dont consider myself a bonehead nor stupid,(only when it comes to dealing with a few (WINGNUTS)
And not afraid to sign my post
Alvin Smith
By the way todd,if this is the onl laugh you've gotten for awhile theres a site on the net that might interest you
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Post by Jason Verge on Oct 19, 2012 16:41:31 GMT -5
Just to clarify for some people, Mr Wingnutt, balls or not your still too chicken to put your name to your post and if asyou say you don't lay darts then any dart issues is none of your business and you are clearly one of the **** disturbers. By the way the players attending the AGM did set the dates for the tournaments. Mr Hiscock before you make a reply to a post take the time to read it. I said not one of the players from B C or D that played in our Provincial Tournments played in Gander. I did not say that no B C or D players didn't play in Gander. You say that Central players will be hurt with this schedule, If so why did a Central Executive member tell me at the A tournament that due to the tournament being so late they lost the second team due to work. By the way the invitation to attend the AGM still stands, hope to see you all there.
Jason Verge
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Post by chassnorr on Oct 19, 2012 22:01:59 GMT -5
MR. Verge? Chass Norr is my name I don't hide from my comment. I have been involved in provincial darts for over 40 years and I have seen tghe highs and the lows so don't bellittle me ((((((( Head. |
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Post by djq49 on Oct 20, 2012 9:45:56 GMT -5
jason verge.......hahaha.....when mr verge speaks everyone must listen, his way or the highway it seems!! you keep giving the invitation for "a" players to attend the agm (after gander meeting... because if you live east of gander your vote dont matter) well mr verge personally i feel holding an AGM at a provincial D tournament is nothing but a joke!! letting D players decide how the other divisions are ran??? and yes there were some a & b players there because they were either managing or lived nearby!! not everyone is on the prov. exec. and gets everything paid for!!....solution!!..... hold the agm at the provincial A tournament! and as for this pattys day thing, todd is right it is a joke... i was at the agm with you and the only dates voted on were that all provincial tournaments have to be played by march 31st.... there was no mention of pattys day weekend at that agm!! your EXEC. had a side meeting afterwards and decided the dates on your own!! just like the reinstatement of the 2 northern players... another time on that one lmao... as noticed in your earlier post jason you said, "just a handful of players, mostly from eastern region attend".....you are the president of nl darts who lives in ONTARIO....and this statement says pretty much who cares about eastern dart players.... Time to give it up mr. verge, your time has expired!!!
DJ Quinlan
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Post by spoiler on Oct 20, 2012 10:22:40 GMT -5
djq49.....as i recall,and i attended that meeting, the dates for the provincial tournaments were presented and accepted by the majority of the repersentives in attendance.I think the minutes of the meeting will reflect that .Also i see no reason to hold an annual agm at "A" tournaments as opposed to "B","C","orD". Only approximately 13 percent of eighteen hundred registered players in provincial mens darts are "A" players.I think the other 87 percent,that actually keeps provincial darts alive, also deserves a say in what happens at the provincial level.Personally i think if the decisions were left to "A" alone there would be no provincial tournaments.Imagine a provincial meeting with no one in attendance and no one to run provincial tournaments.That would end darts provincially.I thought you were a good addition to our spring meeting and expected good things from you.why all of a sudden this attack on the provincial executive .Especiall when you were at the meeting and helped vote the motions to be carried.
alvin smith
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Post by Jason Verge on Oct 20, 2012 10:59:12 GMT -5
Mr D J Quinan, the man from the Eastern B, C Regional Executive who attended the AGM and cannot even remember what went on at the meeting. The man who made sure that the Provincial Executive knew that Eastern has not been abiding by Provincial Rules when registering players. Thank You D J, now we know the scoop, so this year all regons will abide by the rules. The dates for the tournaments was decided at the AGM, maybe you shoud have paid more attention to the meeting, if you had you would know that it was also passed that if the suspended players sent a letter of apology then the Executive could reduce or eliminate the suspension. As for living in Ontario, correction, i work in Ontario, even though, i still manage to attend all tournaments as well as all AGM, do you do the same? As a member of the Eastern Executive it is your job to present at the AGM any concerns your region might have. What concerns did you bring to this meeting? As for caring about Eastern players, i'm pretty sure that there are a lot of players in Eastern that would say the same thing about your performance, so D J its time for you to give it up and let someone willing to work with the Provincial Executive a chance to improve darts in Eastern Region
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Post by djq49 on Oct 20, 2012 12:01:16 GMT -5
spoiler.... im not saying to have the agm at just an "A" tournament! schedule it on the same weekend as the "B" and that would solve many issues... and as for u recalling it being presented it was.... only to the point of saying all prov. tournaments be finished by march 31st... there was a 8 year schedule in place at the time of the agm nd i dont recall redoing that sched!!! i do recall the exec. memers saying they would get together at a later date and resched so that all tournaments were finished by march 31...correct? ... this is not by any means of an attack but after reading the minutes of the agm and themn their "semi annual meeting" things were changed.................. and jason verge.... id appreciate it if you didnt put words in my mouth.... i recall YOU bringing up the registartion of eastern players at the "C" provincials and saying that we dont do it the same way every other region does it, and my response was yes, in the fact that our division is ran completely different then everywhere else, and if i recall u said you were gonna bring it up at the agm? did you?? NO ? why? you can explain that seeing how you like to talk!! and mr. verge i am no longer on the eastern exec. !! i can see you smile now and the comments to come lmao... your last sentence of the previous post though could you explain that ".... a chance to improve darts in eastern region" is there something wrong in eastern?? on a different note i have a question: in orfer to pass something into the rules, are the 3 steps as follows:? 1. has to be a motion 2. has to be a seconder 3. has to be voted on and passed i await your response.... i caution you to think wisely and research your answer! |
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By doing this u are giving players a choice of one or the other is that is not right....if thats what the exec wants..I guess you will have to change the ELITE title...cause majority of the elite players won't be there...I'm so confused and frustrated about this and I can't wrap my mind around. Just to give you a heads up...there is a ACE in the hole that your forgetting about...and I believe you will be notified soon enough about it...it's not only the players you are hurting by doing this. Anyways I'm not on here to attack you or call u anything...I'm just so passionate about this game and I don't understand why this is happening and why both bodes can't get along! Todd hiscock