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Post by spoiler on Jul 22, 2012 16:34:24 GMT -5
Hello dart players.It seems odd that after years of trying to get the "A" Division darts in order we still haven't hit on anything that makes them happy.I have attended Provincial meetings for the past six years and it's always a topic for discussion.We as members of the Molsons Provincial Mens Darts have tossed the subject around for hours,without reaching an end that satisfyies the "A" division players.Some of the reason for that is in my opinion,not enough input from "A" players themselves.They certainally need to get their act together and work with the provincial organization to meet and end that they are all happy with.They desperately need to get representation from the "A" division attending meetings,otherwise accept the decisions made by the "B","C" and "D" division players that are commited so loyaly to keeping Provincial darts alive in the province.I am not by any means insinuating any wrong doings by "A" players .They just need to be part of the organization and help solve the problems in their division instead of leaving it to the powers that be. Any players from the "A" division that has an interest in helping out it would go a long way if you posted some concerns and maybe answers to the problem.It would also be nice to see suggestions here from more than one interested player
Alvin Smith President, Southwest Coast Mens Darts Association
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Post by spoiler on Aug 13, 2012 19:30:16 GMT -5
come on guys from "A" darts..i'm sure some of you would like to express an opinion on what you would like to see at provincial "A" tournaments
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Post by Jason Verge on Sept 2, 2012 7:54:38 GMT -5
Hello Fellows I have watched this post since it was put on the site thinking that we may get some input from the "A" average players within our province. In order for the Executive to better the game for "A" average players we need input from "A" average players. At our general meetings a great deal of time is spent regarding the "A" division, but we seldom have any "A" average players at our meetings to express their views, so it gets left up to the deligates attending, usually regional executive members and "B", "C", "D"average players, to make the rules and play formats for the A division. This year the AGM is in South Southwest at the "A" Provincial Tournament. I would suggest to all Regional Executives to try and get at least 1 "A" average player from their region to attend the annual meeting in an effort to get input from "A" average players regarding the "A" division. Each reagion is allowed to send 3 delegates to the AGM each year. Any Region wishing to send more that 3 deligates, must get the permission of the Provincial Executive prior to the meeting, all deligates being sent must be in good standing with the organization, only 3 deligates from each region will be allowed to have voting rights and only voting deligates will be allowed to participate in any discussion regarding business of the organization.
Jason Verge President Molson Canadian Provincial Men's Dart's Association
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Post by billstcroix on Sept 3, 2012 13:01:06 GMT -5
As president of the eastern "A" division i would love to be able to attend the agm however it is just not possible from an economic stand point more ofthe than not the meeting is corner brook west or north and i am looking at a minimum $1000 to attend.. i applaud the hard work of the exec.i know the format in corner brook wasn't ideal but it was an honest effort to make "A" better.. i wonder in this day of technology if we couldn't set up some sort of tele conference or video conference for the agm.may be worth checking into..good luck to all darters in the upcoming season
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Post by Rob Hann on Sept 5, 2012 7:06:46 GMT -5
I've been playing "A" darts since 1996. Some years good, some not so good. I think there is a too big of an average gap in "A". Each division is separated by two point (ex. 18.49 to 20.49 "B" div.). "A" div can go from 20.50 to 27.00 or even larger. The bottom of the average scale "A" can't compete with the upper scale "A" average. Maybe we need another division? I know players who play "B" darts and they could probably play "A" but won't because they feel that they can't compete. Last year's "A" format tried to address that. It had mixed results. I like this years format better. I think this could work. Hopefully we can settle on something that works for the betterment of the game.
Thanks Rob Hann Western
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Post by billstcroix on Sept 5, 2012 14:29:51 GMT -5
what is this years format?
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Post by Jason Verge on Sept 5, 2012 16:58:18 GMT -5
This years format is much the same as last years with one change, the top eight teams will play of in the Quarter finals, 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th, 3rd vs 6th, 4th vs 5th.The split happens here, the 4 winners will play of for the Elite award while the 4 loosers will play for the "A" award. What position each team playes in the semi finals (first round after the split) after the split will still be determined by the position they had before the split. Example If the team with 1st position after the Round Robin happen to loose in the Quarter finals and end up on the "A" division list they still will be considered 1st for positioning purposes to play in the Semi Finals (first round after the split) of the "A" Division. The same for the other 7 positions. As i said before in an earlier post, the AGM this year is at the "A" Provincial Tournament in South Southwest, This is a great opportunity for "A" average players to have a say in how the "A" Format is decided as well as to express their views on all aspects concerning "A" darts or darts in general
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Post by billstcroix on Sept 7, 2012 13:48:07 GMT -5
I personally like this set up better..The only other option i considered was the number one team from each division play the "elite" and the second team play the "A".. But this years way gives everyone a shot at the "elite" so should be fun..
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Post by bdarter on Sept 11, 2012 9:28:43 GMT -5
I agree with Rob on this one. There is too big of a gap in the A division. The two tiered system in the All NFLD playoff helps to address this. But you have to get to the problem at the zone level. Some areas have more than a couple of A teams. There are a lot of players that will not compete in the A division because they can not compete with other teams within their zones. These players drop their average to play in B. The new playoff format only helps the lower teams which actually make the All NFLD'S.
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Post by Jason Verge on Sept 13, 2012 21:10:03 GMT -5
I agree gentlemen, there is to big of a gap in the A division. Last year we tried a new playoff format in the A division and we all know what happened there. This year we are playing the same format with a small difference, hopefully this will help. In order to better address the A division we need input from A average players on what they think should be done. This year the AGM is at the A Provincial Tournament so we may get more A average players at the meeting, hopefully with some new ideas. Just so players who read this post have some idea of what we face in trying to put together tournaments and tournament formats, i have compiled a list of statistics based on the registeration for the last two years. In 2011 we had 1718 registered players, at cut-off we had 208 A average players, 319 B average players 508 C average players and 895 D average players. Of the 208 A average players we had 132 players shooting from 20.50 to 22.49 and 76 players shooting over 22.49. In 2012 we had 1773 registered players, at cut-off we had 230 A average players, 328 B average players, 543 C average players and 672 D average players. Of the 230 A average players we had 153 players shooting from 20.50 to 22.49 and 77 players shooting over 22.49. At our A Provincial Tournament in 2011, we had 92 players and 30 players shot an average greater than 22.49. At our A Provincial Tournament in 2012, we had 96 players and 22 players shot an average greater than 22.49. Just a few statistics for players to consider.
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